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Andrew u.k.



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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 :  5:51:23 PM  Show Profile Send Andrew u.k. a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I ran the Henley hm with an mp3 and I must say I didn't find it performance enhancing. I usually run with audio books, maybe I should try music.

As for safety that's a different point altogether. I wonder how many people have been injured or tripped by a headphone wearer.



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Lazybones



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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 :  8:25:07 PM  Show Profile Send Lazybones a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Alan - Yes I had to keep telling Dips that the reason you didn't react to her heckling was you couldn't hear her !!!

Personally I use my mp3 for training and used to use it in races too but have tried to wean myself off it since last year. I entered Chicago Marathon (no, I didn't run it in the end as I was injured) and their rules clearly stated that mp3s were not allowed and anyone wearing one would be DQ'd. They even said they would look at all race photos and remove the results of anyone who could be identified as wearing one !!

"The only losers are those who quit"
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Heavyweight



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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 :  9:11:36 PM  Show Profile Send Heavyweight a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Talking of rules....

It seems that heart monitors are classed as "assistance" in races of 10K or less.

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lincsfella



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Posted - 15 Oct 2009 :  10:34:40 PM  Show Profile  Visit lincsfella's Homepage Send lincsfella a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im guessing that along those lines that a garmin would be a bit of a no no, tho you dont see the paulas of this world wearing them, or is that just down to experience and not needing one.

"Always aim for the moon...... because if you miss, you'll still land amongst the stars"
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StephenPrice



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  07:55:48 AM  Show Profile  Visit StephenPrice's Homepage Send StephenPrice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't recall having ever read anything about heart rate monitors being banned.

Elites don't use Garmins in races most likely becuase what's the point? Race distances are marked. Not all, but most wear watches of some sort, which I would also assume are HRMs. Plus, if you're wanting to know pace, top runners are pretty good at pace judgement anyway.

Edited by - StephenPrice on 16 Oct 2009 07:59:32 AM
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StephenPrice



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  07:59:00 AM  Show Profile  Visit StephenPrice's Homepage Send StephenPrice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
David, I stand corrected...
quote:

(1) The following shall be interpreted as assistance
(a) Pacing by persons not participating in a race, unless assisting a
blind or partially sighted runner.
(b) Receiving advice or similar assistance during an event from an
individual located within the competition area.
(c) The use of any technical device.

Athletes receiving assistance as defined above are liable to be disqualified.

(2) The following shall not be interpreted as assistance:

(a) Communication during an event between athletes, and other
persons not within the competition area.
(b) A medical examination during the progress of an event by medical
personnel solely to determine whether an athlete is fit enough to
continue in the competition.
(c) The use of heart monitors in races in excess of 10000m.


I'm certainly not aware of it being enforced in "normal" races though
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StephenPrice



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  08:00:51 AM  Show Profile  Visit StephenPrice's Homepage Send StephenPrice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
would have though HRM's would be more assistance in longer races, rather than shorter ones.
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Dips



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  2:24:29 PM  Show Profile Send Dips a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The point that Alan couldn't hear me shouting proves the safety issue!

Dips x

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MarkWillcocks



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  3:31:43 PM  Show Profile Send MarkWillcocks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
made a change not to be shouting at me!!!!!!

He who dares Rodney, he who dares.
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AndyS



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Posted - 16 Oct 2009 :  8:11:43 PM  Show Profile Send AndyS a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Several of the rural races in North Yorkshire ban mp3/ipods etc a few years ago a runner was knocked down and killed by a car because they had heard neither the car or the warning shouts of other runners or marshalls.

Personally I get p******d off when runners drift across you because they have not heard you running on their shoulder for the last ten minutes! (Or is it that they are just annoyed at me using them as a windbreak)

I strongly believe that if you are running on the road and there is traffic about you need all your senses - you might hear a car but you might not hear a cycle or an electric vehicle bearing dwon on you.

And while we're talking safety - why do people run at night in black?

AndyS
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Donald Maclaren



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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 :  8:30:34 PM  Show Profile Send Donald Maclaren a Private Message  Reply with Quote
For your info espically Mark, they are banned from all Cornish Grand Prix races next year, ( I agree with it) but if the Garmin gets banned in the future that would be a different matter but they say it is like having a pacer!!
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MarkWillcocks



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Posted - 19 Oct 2009 :  08:59:34 AM  Show Profile Send MarkWillcocks a Private Message  Reply with Quote
good......i,m pleased Donald.....especially when you consider the terrain and courses in that circuit.....i really find it annoying so........

i think we are all racing irrespective of elite or novice.....its a race against yourself if nothing else....

He who dares Rodney, he who dares.
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Mark



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Posted - 20 Oct 2009 :  5:45:20 PM  Show Profile Send Mark a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It's good to see Cornwall are leading the way by banning ipods although I am all for allowing Garmins as they do not present safety problems or interfere with other peoples races.

I think it would be easier if England Athletics made a ruling to ban mp3 players for all races, although I am not sure were they stand on this.

Mark
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